One thing that didn’t Change much was the speed. | Whether or not this award winning sander makes sense for you can only be determined by you personally. Any time a person makes their living doing woodworking, cabinet building or finish carpentry it makes sense to use higher quality tools. My wrist could not handle pushing that hard on the sander all the time but it is very nice to know that if I need to push harder on a certain spot that the sander will power through without stalling out and creating unsightly swirl marks. In the last decade, this team has been at the cutting-edge of technology advancement and has created the DEROS and LEROS sanders, which are two of the most ergonomic and easy to use sanders on the market and are amongst Mirka’s best selling products. I had decided I had to get a good sander with EXCELLENT DUST COLLECTION CONTROL because I had a bad experience with sanding Walnut without the good dust control… it really messed me up… eyes & lungs… I could NOT go through that again! I hope and I know that you will enjoy yours. Actually I worked it in the sun with temperature well exceeding 30 deg C. The hot “cooling air” stream just could not coup with the heat release. Unless you are a master of finely tuned hand planes and cabinet scrapers, chances are you have no choice but to sand. I tried the Deros and liked it very much, but opted for the Festool. kocgolf- Amazon is financing them :)-- Desert_Woodworker It is only 3.75 inches tall and weighs 2.2 lbs! I commented on Mirka DEROS vulnerability when used in heavy duty environment (sanding rough oak hot summer , unshaded place) . I usually run it at 1/2 power or less. The center of gravity was extremely low and stable. Moravian workbench build #5: The legs happening. I had read about the DC motors, but haven’t heard much about the products. This was my first High end sander and I was thoroughly hooked! What I found was that the sander is used across the board in many industries that involve sanding. After some 30 minutes the Mirka became overheated and stopped. Well I wasnt going here with this, but I have had several folks in my classes try the Mirka sanders, who were die hard Festool guys and they all agreed the Mirka was their choice, Several had every sander Festool sell’s. A few days ago I was sanding an oak table outside in the yard in the shade where the temperature measured some 27-28 deg C (ca 82 deg F). The benefits that I see every time I use it for outweigh the cost. They are less $$$ as well. I tried the Deros and liked it very much, but opted for the Festool. Thanks again for your review. The power and speed was unreal! In fact you don’t even need a very powerful dust extractor to realize the benefits of its superior dust collection. This is somewhat of a disadvantage but it’s also an advantage. Although…not one speck of dust, huh?....food for thought. If you are concerned about Dust Control, I’m convinced… This is SUPER GOOD!You will be VERY HAPPY with it! ( Direct Electric Random Orbital Sander ) I ordered the 6″ version with the 5mm orbit. I now see from your review the Ceros plug in! While I did appreciate the infinitely adjustable variable speed, the over all sanding speed wasn’t really faster than a regular sander. Mirka’s decade of tooling evolution. If there is more, from a technical standpoint, I don’t know. I have used my Mirka Deros for less than 20 hours altogether for different minor projects along with the older sanders from my shop as the Festool Rotex RO 150 FEQplus, the Makita 9046 and Hilti WFE 450, etc. -- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." Have you heard of the Surfprep sanding system? The Deros is so powerful that the suction from any vac on high will not affect the pad speed. I testify that it happens even at lower ambient temperatures as the 28 degC but whoever wants to work on a more permanent basis shall think twice before cashing out on Mirka. The money spent on this was MORE for GOOD HEALTH than for a good sander! True with both methods. There was no awkward learning curve. The comment was published on 03._rd of August, I think. I started getting carpal tunnel from sanding vertically with the ETS150 along with having issues keeping it flat since it is so tall so I started considering the Ceros. The systainer includes a molded organizer to hold the tool and accessories. So, if you have a supply of old 5 hole paper disks THEY ARE STILL GOOD!I went through the grits… 60, 80 with older paper disks…. The Deros was tiny! I unrolled the extra long removeable and interchangeable 4m cord and plugged it in to my Festool CT36. Even though this sander may seem expensive it is a real bargain when compared to the pneumatic alternatives used in cabinet shops. Thanks for all you do in this community! All is well here. Then I switched to the Abranet disks... 120, 220, and 400 grits.All went smooth and easy! Or are the differences that great? Like dgage, I’m a big Festool fan but have discovered there are better tools out there, like the Mafel P1cc Jig Saw. Rotex is definitely more powerful but these are close and so much smoother and controlled. (no more). George Washington. The smoothness of its operation, the low noise output, the high power output and The supreme dust collection all make the Mirka Deros the most advanced and user friendly sander on the market today. Thanks Joe. The ETS-EC sanders are the closest thing from any company. It works SO Effortlessly and Quietly it’s amazing! This article is very useful by pointing out the characteristics and the adventages of Mirka Deros if compared to some other makes. Recent summer days often produce hours with temperatures over 40 deg C, too. -- Have Fun! I am a hobby woodworker and have been using a lot of different sanders in the past almost 30 years. It works perfectly! I have one of their 3 by 4 finish prep sanders and am wondering how their Trident 5″ setup stacks against deros and ro150. This and your insta posts about it sold me on this. It’s so authoritative and beefy sounding but at a lower level than I was used to. I hope and I know that you will enjoy yours.kocgolf- Amazon is financing them :). I use it in my workshop where air condition is provided. Instead of a paper sheet with punched holes for dust collection, it is made up almost entirely of holes. -------- When you run out of ideas, start building your dreams. In addition to high volume cabinet shops, who else is buying the Mirka Deros? Thanks Joe, Charles, and dgage for sharing your experiences. They fixed it and the sander works fine . Latest Blog Entries | I did wear gloves that had open fingers… Noticed hardly any strain. Ceros requires a separate Power Supply that plugs into the wall & the Ceros is plugged into it; just more stuff to get in the way & store somewhere. Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php?media/albums/users/joe-lyddon.1389/. NOTE: That yellow box is the Case that it was shipped in that can hold everything plus sand paper, etc. and I did BOTH sides! This is hard to choose with is a better sander …Frestool Rotex 150 vs Mirka Deros 5650 …sounds like the Mirka may over heat but sands or has a better feel plus you get a 5 and a 6 inch head. At this point don’t need a new sander, but will look at the Ceros if the need occurs. This is a very valid point especially if hand sanding but it also fits powered sanders just as well. Since the girls help me sand some and as I have gotten older, I find the size and ergonomics to be a huge help, especially if the girls are using them. Random Orbit Sander wonderful! Sharing information like this is so helpful – thanks again. I had some very ROUGH slabs of Black Walnut to use as a Test piece. | Copyright The numbers are for the different models according to size of pad and orbit. The 650cv is 6″ pad with 5mm orbit. I use a downdraft table on a daily basis and settled for the standard ROS. The pneumatic Sanders require incredible amounts of clean dry air. It makes sanding fun. So it is an expensive sander but for me it has replaced my aggressive and my fine Festool sanders and I don’t feel I’m missing anything. In every case it has been faster, smoother, quieter and more powerful all with near zero dust. I wish I had not been mesmerised by the beauty of this little thing and had the money for a real sander…